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		<title>By: animal541</title>
		<link>http://laurensfitness.com/2008/01/28/isolation-exercises-you-still-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-118023</link>
		<dc:creator>animal541</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is isolation necessary? at what point in real world applications does isolation become a necessoity? sports? fighting? swimming? carrying objects? all these physical actions require several muscles to function, and strength, balance and flexibility are basic concepts upon which a human body is geared to perform. why waste time with isolation movements, if the resulting CNS response is minimal compared to compound lift? you mention glutes, but if you can deadlift 405 for reps, press 205 overhead or squat 335 with ass lower than knees, then by God your glutes will be strong. Along with all the main muscles for appropriate physique proportion and peformance. If someone has lacking muscle stregth, compund is the only way to go, since those movements train all the muscles and joints in between. you are only as strong as your weakest link, but proper form must precede the weight used in terms of importance. an evolutionary process called adaptation will take place when the body senses the stress and grows stronger, with correct strength/muscle size balance through proper execution. many injuries in modern gyms take place, where rookies use ineffective isolation/machine movevents. the body muscles respond based on CNS response, which is quite diffrent if we curl 50 lbs or do chinups with 50 lbs. the latter is the best exercise to put on muscle size on your biceps, back and smaller muscles (rhomboids/teres minor&amp;major), since you move the body weight through space, and the natural movement is followed to the tendonds, joints and muscles growing stronger as a result. and muscle size is directly proportional to muscle strength. leg extension can really fuck your knees up, just like situps can hurt your spine. If you are unable to do suqts due to knee injury, start with body squats and progress with weigh, but properly. 100 years ago the isolation exercises were quite unknown, yet people have still been strong and muscular. look at physiques of reg park or eugene sandow...thats real muscle. stop wasting time at pretty gyms, a barbell, plates, bodyweight and dip/pullup handles are all you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is isolation necessary? at what point in real world applications does isolation become a necessoity? sports? fighting? swimming? carrying objects? all these physical actions require several muscles to function, and strength, balance and flexibility are basic concepts upon which a human body is geared to perform. why waste time with isolation movements, if the resulting CNS response is minimal compared to compound lift? you mention glutes, but if you can deadlift 405 for reps, press 205 overhead or squat 335 with ass lower than knees, then by God your glutes will be strong. Along with all the main muscles for appropriate physique proportion and peformance. If someone has lacking muscle stregth, compund is the only way to go, since those movements train all the muscles and joints in between. you are only as strong as your weakest link, but proper form must precede the weight used in terms of importance. an evolutionary process called adaptation will take place when the body senses the stress and grows stronger, with correct strength/muscle size balance through proper execution. many injuries in modern gyms take place, where rookies use ineffective isolation/machine movevents. the body muscles respond based on CNS response, which is quite diffrent if we curl 50 lbs or do chinups with 50 lbs. the latter is the best exercise to put on muscle size on your biceps, back and smaller muscles (rhomboids/teres minor&amp;major), since you move the body weight through space, and the natural movement is followed to the tendonds, joints and muscles growing stronger as a result. and muscle size is directly proportional to muscle strength. leg extension can really fuck your knees up, just like situps can hurt your spine. If you are unable to do suqts due to knee injury, start with body squats and progress with weigh, but properly. 100 years ago the isolation exercises were quite unknown, yet people have still been strong and muscular. look at physiques of reg park or eugene sandow&#8230;thats real muscle. stop wasting time at pretty gyms, a barbell, plates, bodyweight and dip/pullup handles are all you need.</p>
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		<title>By: oi_joe</title>
		<link>http://laurensfitness.com/2008/01/28/isolation-exercises-you-still-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>oi_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you, i tryed the knee to chest release test, i seemed to past ok, so am going to work on my glutes, like you suggest, build some firm buns. 

its a good page you got going here, am going to have to take some time to read through some back posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you, i tryed the knee to chest release test, i seemed to past ok, so am going to work on my glutes, like you suggest, build some firm buns. </p>
<p>its a good page you got going here, am going to have to take some time to read through some back posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://laurensfitness.com/2008/01/28/isolation-exercises-you-still-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ol_joe

Thanks for the kind words! 

As a general rule, most people will have a tight Psoas and weak glutes. This can cause back pain, especially when running. Weak glutes will also lead to bad force transfers, and will put extra stress through your back. Do the stretching and release stuff found on the article, and incorporate the glute exercises. 

You may have the opposite problem. To test if your Psoas is strong, stand on one leg, and hold your opposite knee to chest. Let go and try to lower that leg. If you are stable and can do it with no problems, then your psoas is strong, if you cant hold it and control it on the way down, your psoas is probably weak. This works because when the knee is above the hip in this test, your Psoas is in control of it. If it&#039;s weak you will find you activate your back, you tilt forward, sideways, and even try to use your quads. Remember your Psoas can be weak and tight. You may need to release and strengthen.

I am also a big advocate of glute work. Generally peoples glutes aren&#039;t strong enough. Get into some of that and regardless which problem you have, you will find that you transfer force a lot better when running. The bridges and lunges are a good place to start!

Let me know how it goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ol_joe</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words! </p>
<p>As a general rule, most people will have a tight Psoas and weak glutes. This can cause back pain, especially when running. Weak glutes will also lead to bad force transfers, and will put extra stress through your back. Do the stretching and release stuff found on the article, and incorporate the glute exercises. </p>
<p>You may have the opposite problem. To test if your Psoas is strong, stand on one leg, and hold your opposite knee to chest. Let go and try to lower that leg. If you are stable and can do it with no problems, then your psoas is strong, if you cant hold it and control it on the way down, your psoas is probably weak. This works because when the knee is above the hip in this test, your Psoas is in control of it. If it&#8217;s weak you will find you activate your back, you tilt forward, sideways, and even try to use your quads. Remember your Psoas can be weak and tight. You may need to release and strengthen.</p>
<p>I am also a big advocate of glute work. Generally peoples glutes aren&#8217;t strong enough. Get into some of that and regardless which problem you have, you will find that you transfer force a lot better when running. The bridges and lunges are a good place to start!</p>
<p>Let me know how it goes!</p>
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		<title>By: oi_joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>oi_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, i just read a post you did on psoas on stronglifts, was really good, i have a minor problem, which i thought could have been the psoas, i&#039;ve started get back ache when running, someone said it could have been glutes, just wondering what you think? and if there are any exercises i could do to strengthen them up abit more if thats whats needed.

thank you 

joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, i just read a post you did on psoas on stronglifts, was really good, i have a minor problem, which i thought could have been the psoas, i&#8217;ve started get back ache when running, someone said it could have been glutes, just wondering what you think? and if there are any exercises i could do to strengthen them up abit more if thats whats needed.</p>
<p>thank you </p>
<p>joe</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme,

Results are what matters.

You are right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with training for aesthetic reasons as well. Good point on the posterior chain work, a lot of people lack the &#039;core&#039; strength to perform some of the big lifts.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme,</p>
<p>Results are what matters.</p>
<p>You are right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with training for aesthetic reasons as well. Good point on the posterior chain work, a lot of people lack the &#8216;core&#8217; strength to perform some of the big lifts.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Marsh</title>
		<link>http://laurensfitness.com/2008/01/28/isolation-exercises-you-still-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lauren, 

Couldn&#039;t agree more with this piece. Most women lack tricep strength to do decent pressups and lack the arm strength for pullups. There is most certainly a place for isolation work and it isn&#039;t the waste of time that many are espousing. 

Sure, I wouldn&#039;t build an entire workout around it, but what&#039;s wrong with wanting to look better in a t-shirt or strapless top in the summer? Can&#039;t see that 10 minutes of arm work a couple of times a week is going to do any harm! :-)

I do a whole heap of posterior chain work particularly with female trainees. Most of them lack initially in the lower back and hamstrings the strength to squat and pull effectively. 

As you say, the industry is obsessed with trends and fads and many who write about it seem to jump on each one. As for me I prefer to stick with what gets the results (and the clients) in the gym!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lauren, </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with this piece. Most women lack tricep strength to do decent pressups and lack the arm strength for pullups. There is most certainly a place for isolation work and it isn&#8217;t the waste of time that many are espousing. </p>
<p>Sure, I wouldn&#8217;t build an entire workout around it, but what&#8217;s wrong with wanting to look better in a t-shirt or strapless top in the summer? Can&#8217;t see that 10 minutes of arm work a couple of times a week is going to do any harm! <img src='http://laurensfitness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do a whole heap of posterior chain work particularly with female trainees. Most of them lack initially in the lower back and hamstrings the strength to squat and pull effectively. </p>
<p>As you say, the industry is obsessed with trends and fads and many who write about it seem to jump on each one. As for me I prefer to stick with what gets the results (and the clients) in the gym!</p>
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		<title>By: fit man</title>
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		<dc:creator>fit man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lauren,


I agree that the industry often is too extreme, and often has a knee jerk reaction when there is some new information put out there.
A good example is stretching. Studies have shown that dynamic warm ups and mobility are superior to static stretching for warm up, but people have gone too extreme and omitted static stretching from lives completely, when it clearly has some benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lauren,</p>
<p>I agree that the industry often is too extreme, and often has a knee jerk reaction when there is some new information put out there.<br />
A good example is stretching. Studies have shown that dynamic warm ups and mobility are superior to static stretching for warm up, but people have gone too extreme and omitted static stretching from lives completely, when it clearly has some benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason

I guess it is a popular topic! People do tend to jump on and off bandwagons in the fitness industry. We need to slow down and consider things a little better.

Cheers,

Lauren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason</p>
<p>I guess it is a popular topic! People do tend to jump on and off bandwagons in the fitness industry. We need to slow down and consider things a little better.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Lauren</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren,

Funny to see this article here today. I just wrote something that makes the same exact point today and then came here to see this article not very long after I finished (anybody reading who doesn&#039;t know what I&#039;m talking about -- I run a little blog of my own). I like the point that you make about extremes- alot of the men&#039;s and women&#039;s magazines hype mostly isolation movements for cutting a little line in the top of your bicep. This doesn&#039;t mean that they are useless... they are just overused by some.

Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren,</p>
<p>Funny to see this article here today. I just wrote something that makes the same exact point today and then came here to see this article not very long after I finished (anybody reading who doesn&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about &#8212; I run a little blog of my own). I like the point that you make about extremes- alot of the men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s magazines hype mostly isolation movements for cutting a little line in the top of your bicep. This doesn&#8217;t mean that they are useless&#8230; they are just overused by some.</p>
<p>Thanks <img src='http://laurensfitness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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